Friday, February 5, 2010

Spiritual progress is a load of rubbish

Hi Tom,

Thanks for highlighting this - some clarity is called for here, for sure. So here goes...

If the idea of separation is running then the concept will present that there is 'one' who is not enlightened, one who is enlightened and one who is liberated. From that perspective only, there can be an appearance of a spiritual hierarchal system. Really this, like all that can be said, is all a load of rubbish because there isn't 'one' in the first place! Enlightenment is simply the indisputable seeing that there is no 'one'; that what you thought you were was nothing more than concepts passing in consciousness. So that destroys all possibilities of one being a guru or satguru - it's just gobbledygook. Yet, everything has its place and the inward movement of the mind can continue (post enlightenment) and consciousness(presenting as separate mind) can label this as progress. That happens too.
But this is progress for whom? That's where it falls down again! There can only be a hierarchy when separation is running.
Yet, levels of consciousness present in this movie and they do not apply to any individual. There are no individuals. Consciousness throws up all concepts and somehow if the idea of separation is running then they are taken as real, right and wrong, etc. So as long as that movie is entertained consciousness will continue to imagine/present the idea of a seeker with something to achieve. This is just the play of an I and there never was any one ever really caught up in this anyway....truly there isn't any 'one' and can not be 'one'. So that leaves all of this material as just thoughts (don't make them anybody's) with no substance in any objective reality. Still consciousness presents all these concepts, and it will continue to be like this, it seems. Yes for sure - remaining as pure silence beats all of this any day in any dimension!!
A Dublin date for a satsang sitting has just been set up for March 6th and 7th.....let's see what happens!

Hey Dan - really there is nothing to understand. Being what you really are is happening; that can not be stopped or started. What you are is beyond all of this. Nothing to work out any more perhaps; let the fragrance of what you are arise and dissolve any tendency to imagine you are other than the essence of all that IS.
jac

70 comments:

  1. Hi jac,
    It is understood that all concepts are rubbish, all spiritual practices and progress just a child's game in a dream of separateness. Observation seems harmless, believing seems toxic, but to whom? Does a dream believed to be real harm a nonexistent dreamer, truly? Resting in perfect stillness seems the ONLY Reality ultimately, despite all appearances- Just a world full of sound and fury signifying nothing.

    Shankara taught and Ramana reiterated:
    The world is illusion.
    Only Brahman is real.
    Brahman is the world.

    I need some help with that last line. If Brahman is the world, and form and emptiness not at all different per the Heart Sutra, is doing or saying anything utterly meaningless and futile, or does one jump in with both feet and shout with the purest joy and abandon "I am Love and Joy and Freedom Itself in Unbounded Expression!" in the FULL awareness of the complete presence AND non-presence of both the joyous expression and of the world,
    and of that apparent one,
    I,
    who both is,
    and yet isn't?

    Love,
    les

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  2. dearest beloved jac,
    love, love, love this post, thank you!

    Felt its identical content a few days ago, all ignorance just went out of the window, was thinking of you and sent out Love and felt like a transmission yet again...just Self...

    started a small blog and just posted some gems from 'Born to be Free'
    enjoy when back in Europe at
    http://mareninthesky.wordpress.com/

    All Love and hugs from your m & j xxx

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  3. One question, beloved jac:
    there isn't a feeling here that it's all a play of an I, second part yes, that there never was any one ever really caught up in this anyways...
    was shown that only Self is, personal 'one' never was, whole movie never happened, only seemed like Self was doing the dreaming once ignorance /dream starts, but since Self is prior to all that and cannot be ignorant, really is ignorance or dream dreaming itself, dream perceiver of personal 'i' and dream objects 'it' observes one, both only borrow their seeming presence from the Self, yet don't have any of their own, and Self stands untouched and alone....
    could you comment?
    All Love!! xxx maren

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  4. Hi Jac You say now:

    "There can only be a hierarchy when separation is running."

    So, Jac, . . you re saying : "Get out of it . . !"

    Lots of Bliss

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  5. maybe only silence
    is big enough
    for this love

    this longing now
    to rest my head
    on your shoulder
    and weep
    for all the anguish
    all the years
    of trying
    to be
    someone

    and all the while
    nothing
    ever happened here
    but silence
    like the snow
    that's suddenly turned
    this world all white

    and still
    i love
    i long
    to be
    you

    silence
    seeking
    silence

    burning through
    till nothing's left
    but love

    nothing left to do

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  7. First Inch of Awakening

    From a certain ST. Augustinus :

    Normally I find Eastern declarations more clear and poetic but this is so very nice too


    It describes the first second of awakening, before the sound comes.
    Although in many cases the Incredeble Awesome Unstruck Sound of the Holy Ghost comes first. -

    ===========================ST. Augustinus :

    "And I entered even in my inward self, Thou being my Guide,

    And able I was; for Thou wert become my helper.

    And I entered and beheld with the eye of my Soul (such as it was) , above the same eye of my soul, above my mind, . .
    The Light Unghangeable,

    Not this ordinary Light which all flesh looks upon, nor as it were a Greater of the samekind,
    as though the brightness of this should be manifold brighter,
    and with its greatness take up all space.

    No, . . such was the Light but other yea, . . far other from all these.

    He that knows the Truth knows what that Light is, and He that knows it, knows Eternity "

    =================================
    It's an attempt to give some Romance to the
    chilliness.
    Ankhaton


    ps
    I want to make a personal correction here:
    Some readers of my former comms to Arjen thought that I practize "Kriya Yoga"
    from Yogananda.
    THAT IS NOT AT ALL THE CASE.

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  14. Pointers from the Stars



    The only thing real

    about all that I see

    is All-luminous Self,

    in ‘time’ hiding as ‘else.’

    Pure Consciousness is simply what IS

    and always already abiding as THIS.

    One heavenly canvas,

    refreshingly alive–

    sparkling brightly as glorious Light.

    When perfect peace seems somehow disturbed,

    Pure Being never once is perturbed.

    Don’t look at what appears to be causing pain,

    no, quickly reel that shadow in again!

    Ask: to whom to these arisings occur?

    and feel the entire witness disappear–

    See it for the objectified ignorance it is,

    and that denial in or of itself cannot exist.

    Pure Awareness only prior to any ’sense’

    that untouched Presence generously lends.

    The observer thus dissolved into thin air,

    Joyous Wonder covers ‘everywhere.’

    All illusion now completely left

    and with it any seeming effect.

    Shadows cannot continue to fight

    where all that remains is eternal Light.

    One Cause now that is Its Own Effect

    not capable of straying from Stillness’ Rest.

    Not even that is ultimately true,

    for there to be power,

    it needs to have two…

    …at least to human concepts

    that like to make sense

    of what ignorant nonsense pretends.

    Gentle no-power, spacious and clear

    remains as All Awareness here,

    until then,

    invite All to return

    into the Heart of their

    beautiful Origin.

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  17. Being in a kind of separation, -most of us, - isn't it, . . and you don't know Jac, how long that was and how long that will be, . .

    I, wouldn't grip so high as to be Total awareness one day

    It's not my opinion but thinking at what you wrote, . . . imaging most Jivas to be intended to arrive at level 850 of 1000 , . .

    Would you complain, . . to your innermost self ?

    Would that Self not know what's good for You Jac ?

    And would a Gurl being night and day at level 999 not
    be a Most Exalted Beautiful SatGuru ?

    ankhaton

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  18. 但是,。 。你为什么擦不舒服的美。 。 。

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  19. 亲爱的皇帝这个博客。 。请给我回我写在这里

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  20. "When the ocean comes to you as a lover, marry, quick, don't hesitate,
    no other experience can be equal to this. The Kings falcon for no reason has landed on your shoulder and has become yours."

    Jalalu din' Rumi.
    ankh

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  21. May, 19 in Nice, . . . - That's my birthday !

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  22. thank you for you to make me learn more,thank you∩0∩ ........................................

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  23. Of course I love You
    a veggy and
    You are my favorite ND teacher !


    A Flabbergasting Message from Ramana Maharshi Message List

    It's so special that I placed it on many ND Groups, Blogs to come

    It was after I said to LAYA :
    Imaging I was PLACED in front of You & Jac !
    so here you have what happened :

    In the middle of a dispute in french
    on a french blog "Perles de Bonheur"
    on ND

    I wrote an answer saying that present interpretation of
    Ramanas words were corrupting and
    equal to the Angel Lucifer's pov and that
    that one had more Beauty and REAL Divine IQ than we have
    -a little of the same as we discuss here, -hence reason to carbon :

    and thinking : Now She will throw me out of that Blog too
    the following happened

    and I wrote it to that group as follows now in english :




    18 avril 2010 11:17
    AnkhAton a dit…

    Seconds after the above words, here in the corridor ,
    I passed an ancien book cabinet
    and there fell a little booklet out
    of it with no visuable reason.

    The title is:
    FORTY VERSUS
    by
    RAMANA MAHARSHI
    and
    I thought flabbergasted and grateful:
    This is a message

    So I thought to do what some people
    do with the Bible
    and just open in the book in the middle.

    The text on Page 25 text 21 is :

    The scriptures declare that seeing the Self is seeing God.

    Being Single, how can one see one's own Self?
    If Oneself cannot be seen, how can God be?

    To be absorbed by God is to see Him.


    The traduction in English by
    ULlADDU NARPAADU & S. Cohen
    Edition : Watkins London is from 1978

    If ULLADU only knew this -what happened-

    ankh

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  24. just noticing
    this moment
    as the computer hums
    and thoughts rise and fall
    and an airplane buzzes over head
    and a breeze flows through the window--
    silence is not disturbed
    nothing is touched
    no one is noticing
    simply stars shining
    as this--
    nowhere not even here
    never not even now
    empty even of emptiness

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  25. Yes; the first step towards wholeness is the first step away from it.

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  26. 一棵樹除非在春天開了花,否則難望在秋天結果。 ..................................................

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  27. I sincerely believe that using this Japanzese , and chinese characters which may translate in so many different ways, can give a lot of misunderstanding.

    A better solution might be to mail in english

    I think I understood most of them minus one.

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  28. I wish you All, and specially Simone a fantastic Seminar in the PetitMas.
    Hoping that Jac will explain Why she's a vegetarian.
    Yes, example is better than proscribing , that's true ,but it would be so spiritual helpful for many You would explain some
    Love

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  29. Who wants awareness

    when you can have Love instead ?

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  30. 38 Years ago, . .

    After He gave me His Holy Sound,

    I wrote to my SatGuru Master
    in a letter :
    Now I have You, I don't need God anymore.
    He was cremated long ago but
    I still think that
    every second of my life

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  31. 先將一個人的生活過好,才有能力過好兩個人的生活................................................

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  32. Now, the chinese are calming
    I'm placing a copy of my message to tony moo
    on his indian site
    I wonder it's still not wiped out by brixton


    http://tiruvannamalai-visitors-centre.blogspot.com/2010/05/mooji.html#comments




    I'm Ankhaton on YOUTUBE


    I saw tony's last footage
    about his pain in "The" Fire of Self-Discovery"
    and like to tell him what I saw in and around him, . . straight through the

    screen.

    "Yes that the fire of his self Discovery is imminent"

    I saw Death, . . to come soon.
    I know also why !

    you are mixing Ramana's Beautiful Jnana Spirituality of LOVE with terror.

    you say to youngsters they will not have bad
    consequences from killing.

    you are saying it doesn't matter to kill an animal without hunger or need, just for

    pleasure and that 'imaging'
    you are the Divine places you above all that :
    Bad Karma and Reincarnation, in your own case Transmigration.

    Jesus and Buddha had things to say
    about such teachings and the taking away of children's conscience
    something about the bottom of the ocean, remember and Buddha saying : No sin /thing

    is worse

    But tony , . . i have also seen how you can save yourself from horrors to come
    and even a kind of miraculous recovery.

    I tried to phone Brixton but couldn't.

    So I say this in all openness here and elsewhere against your habit of deleting.

    you don't need to become a vegetarian yourself although that would be fine, . . .
    i'm told you couldn't keep that promise

    You just have to tell your flock - like companies are sometimes obliged by judges to

    correct on TV - . . .

    You have just to correct and state on your sites that vegetarianism would greatly

    help.
    you have also to ask your foreign flock to
    add that
    This is a deal - the french say :
    "à Amiable"

    Like" Raneesh Osho said AT LAST : " It is an ethical minimum" which saved Him after

    all.

    I have been ordered to tell you . .
    in the same way as I had to
    do my Song SHANDORA and JESUS on Youtube
    I'm a messenger

    ANKHATON


    ps
    In an appendix I said He is ill and that he knows that

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  33. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CklvW9HEL4

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  34. THIS IS A CARBON FROM ANSWERING IN ANOTHER GROUP

    WHAT IS SAMADHI ?

    You might think I want to shock, . . no, . . no, . and NO,
    this is
    the ONLY comparison.
    The Alpha & Omega of all things spiritual

    IT IS ORGASM.

    EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW ORGASM FEELS

    AMONG MANY OTHER THINGS THIS IS IT WHAT IT IS
    A Main ingredient

    BUT ABOVE THE EYES °° ONLY °°,
    AND WITH A UN-IMAGINABLE CLEARNESS and FORCE
    AND PURE KNOWLEDGE
    changing all the time.

    AND SECONDS , (just not to die from it), but next :
    MINUTES - NEXT FOR HOURS
    NEXT FOR A VERY LONG TIME

    next you do just your normal life wondering ALL THE TIME

    I THINK THIS DEFINITION SHOULD BE IN THE WEBSTER ASAP


    SAMADHI IS THAT AMONGST MORE, . .
    HOW COULD THE HOLY GHOST BE LESSER THAN THAT ?

    And It ever grows

    It's time things are called by the right names
    The Holy Ghost beats them All.

    AnkhATON

    PS
    Therefore I did post already titled
    "DO YOU LIKE SEX , . . DO HEAVEN"


    You Guys might start joking but after that, . . .
    SAY IT ON, BRING IT ON


    -

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  35. The Proof :

    http://yubanet.com/uploads/3/WoltersKluwerIMG1.jpg

    Don't go lower than the door
    Jesus said to knock on.

    The lower doors ( chakras )
    are occupied too but you better do not

    Don't do the heart, Ramana was wrong to say that.

    ANKHATON

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  36. Said a hard line ND guy on a yahoo group :

    "Falling in Love happens only in the Separation state"

    and i said

    "May I (then) stay in that state forever"

    ankh

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  37. Hi Jac,
    This is sooo delayed a response, sorry for that..but thank you for your clear answer, am going to share it with a you tube friend. Love..:)
    Tom

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  38. Agree spiritual progress can be meaningless for the Self, meaningful for the mind that is conceptualised thinking individual soul. 'I' (my mind) also wonder why Swami Vivekananda said, 'Each soul is potentially divine, goal is to manifest the divinity within.' 'I' think does not make sense as well, as there is only energy present. Energy can't be one,two or many.

    "Consciousness throws up all concepts and somehow if the idea of separation is running then they are taken as real, right and wrong, etc. So as long as that movie is entertained consciousness will continue to imagine/present the idea of a seeker with something to achieve."

    Not consciousness,but mind throws up all concepts and somehow if the idea of separation is running then they are taken as real, right and wrong, etc. So as long as that movie is entertained mind will continue to imagine/present the idea of a seeker with something to achieve."

    Consciousness is a silent witness to all this rubbish since it is beyond mind, thought or words.

    However, Spiritual progress can however be best understood as awakening, realising that there is nothing ever holding you from being free and true silence is the golden key to achieve with absence of the 'I'.

    Disclaimer: Not writing with an intent to add the rubbish :D

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