Hi Tom,
Thanks for highlighting this - some clarity is called for here, for sure. So here goes...
If the idea of separation is running then the concept will present that there is 'one' who is not enlightened, one who is enlightened and one who is liberated. From that perspective only, there can be an appearance of a spiritual hierarchal system. Really this, like all that can be said, is all a load of rubbish because there isn't 'one' in the first place! Enlightenment is simply the indisputable seeing that there is no 'one'; that what you thought you were was nothing more than concepts passing in consciousness. So that destroys all possibilities of one being a guru or satguru - it's just gobbledygook. Yet, everything has its place and the inward movement of the mind can continue (post enlightenment) and consciousness(presenting as separate mind) can label this as progress. That happens too.
But this is progress for whom? That's where it falls down again! There can only be a hierarchy when separation is running.
Yet, levels of consciousness present in this movie and they do not apply to any individual. There are no individuals. Consciousness throws up all concepts and somehow if the idea of separation is running then they are taken as real, right and wrong, etc. So as long as that movie is entertained consciousness will continue to imagine/present the idea of a seeker with something to achieve. This is just the play of an I and there never was any one ever really caught up in this anyway....truly there isn't any 'one' and can not be 'one'. So that leaves all of this material as just thoughts (don't make them anybody's) with no substance in any objective reality. Still consciousness presents all these concepts, and it will continue to be like this, it seems. Yes for sure - remaining as pure silence beats all of this any day in any dimension!!
A Dublin date for a satsang sitting has just been set up for March 6th and 7th.....let's see what happens!
Hey Dan - really there is nothing to understand. Being what you really are is happening; that can not be stopped or started. What you are is beyond all of this. Nothing to work out any more perhaps; let the fragrance of what you are arise and dissolve any tendency to imagine you are other than the essence of all that IS.
jac
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Hi jac,
ReplyDeleteIt is understood that all concepts are rubbish, all spiritual practices and progress just a child's game in a dream of separateness. Observation seems harmless, believing seems toxic, but to whom? Does a dream believed to be real harm a nonexistent dreamer, truly? Resting in perfect stillness seems the ONLY Reality ultimately, despite all appearances- Just a world full of sound and fury signifying nothing.
Shankara taught and Ramana reiterated:
The world is illusion.
Only Brahman is real.
Brahman is the world.
I need some help with that last line. If Brahman is the world, and form and emptiness not at all different per the Heart Sutra, is doing or saying anything utterly meaningless and futile, or does one jump in with both feet and shout with the purest joy and abandon "I am Love and Joy and Freedom Itself in Unbounded Expression!" in the FULL awareness of the complete presence AND non-presence of both the joyous expression and of the world,
and of that apparent one,
I,
who both is,
and yet isn't?
Love,
les
dearest beloved jac,
ReplyDeletelove, love, love this post, thank you!
Felt its identical content a few days ago, all ignorance just went out of the window, was thinking of you and sent out Love and felt like a transmission yet again...just Self...
started a small blog and just posted some gems from 'Born to be Free'
enjoy when back in Europe at
http://mareninthesky.wordpress.com/
All Love and hugs from your m & j xxx
One question, beloved jac:
ReplyDeletethere isn't a feeling here that it's all a play of an I, second part yes, that there never was any one ever really caught up in this anyways...
was shown that only Self is, personal 'one' never was, whole movie never happened, only seemed like Self was doing the dreaming once ignorance /dream starts, but since Self is prior to all that and cannot be ignorant, really is ignorance or dream dreaming itself, dream perceiver of personal 'i' and dream objects 'it' observes one, both only borrow their seeming presence from the Self, yet don't have any of their own, and Self stands untouched and alone....
could you comment?
All Love!! xxx maren
Hi Jac You say now:
ReplyDelete"There can only be a hierarchy when separation is running."
So, Jac, . . you re saying : "Get out of it . . !"
Lots of Bliss
maybe only silence
ReplyDeleteis big enough
for this love
this longing now
to rest my head
on your shoulder
and weep
for all the anguish
all the years
of trying
to be
someone
and all the while
nothing
ever happened here
but silence
like the snow
that's suddenly turned
this world all white
and still
i love
i long
to be
you
silence
seeking
silence
burning through
till nothing's left
but love
nothing left to do
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ReplyDeleteFirst Inch of Awakening
ReplyDeleteFrom a certain ST. Augustinus :
Normally I find Eastern declarations more clear and poetic but this is so very nice too
It describes the first second of awakening, before the sound comes.
Although in many cases the Incredeble Awesome Unstruck Sound of the Holy Ghost comes first. -
===========================ST. Augustinus :
"And I entered even in my inward self, Thou being my Guide,
And able I was; for Thou wert become my helper.
And I entered and beheld with the eye of my Soul (such as it was) , above the same eye of my soul, above my mind, . .
The Light Unghangeable,
Not this ordinary Light which all flesh looks upon, nor as it were a Greater of the samekind,
as though the brightness of this should be manifold brighter,
and with its greatness take up all space.
No, . . such was the Light but other yea, . . far other from all these.
He that knows the Truth knows what that Light is, and He that knows it, knows Eternity "
=================================
It's an attempt to give some Romance to the
chilliness.
Ankhaton
ps
I want to make a personal correction here:
Some readers of my former comms to Arjen thought that I practize "Kriya Yoga"
from Yogananda.
THAT IS NOT AT ALL THE CASE.
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ReplyDeletePointers from the Stars
ReplyDeleteThe only thing real
about all that I see
is All-luminous Self,
in ‘time’ hiding as ‘else.’
Pure Consciousness is simply what IS
and always already abiding as THIS.
One heavenly canvas,
refreshingly alive–
sparkling brightly as glorious Light.
When perfect peace seems somehow disturbed,
Pure Being never once is perturbed.
Don’t look at what appears to be causing pain,
no, quickly reel that shadow in again!
Ask: to whom to these arisings occur?
and feel the entire witness disappear–
See it for the objectified ignorance it is,
and that denial in or of itself cannot exist.
Pure Awareness only prior to any ’sense’
that untouched Presence generously lends.
The observer thus dissolved into thin air,
Joyous Wonder covers ‘everywhere.’
All illusion now completely left
and with it any seeming effect.
Shadows cannot continue to fight
where all that remains is eternal Light.
One Cause now that is Its Own Effect
not capable of straying from Stillness’ Rest.
Not even that is ultimately true,
for there to be power,
it needs to have two…
…at least to human concepts
that like to make sense
of what ignorant nonsense pretends.
Gentle no-power, spacious and clear
remains as All Awareness here,
until then,
invite All to return
into the Heart of their
beautiful Origin.
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ReplyDeleteBeing in a kind of separation, -most of us, - isn't it, . . and you don't know Jac, how long that was and how long that will be, . .
ReplyDeleteI, wouldn't grip so high as to be Total awareness one day
It's not my opinion but thinking at what you wrote, . . . imaging most Jivas to be intended to arrive at level 850 of 1000 , . .
Would you complain, . . to your innermost self ?
Would that Self not know what's good for You Jac ?
And would a Gurl being night and day at level 999 not
be a Most Exalted Beautiful SatGuru ?
ankhaton
但是，。 。你为什么擦不舒服的美。 。 。
ReplyDelete亲爱的皇帝这个博客。 。请给我回我写在这里
ReplyDelete"When the ocean comes to you as a lover, marry, quick, don't hesitate,
ReplyDeleteno other experience can be equal to this. The Kings falcon for no reason has landed on your shoulder and has become yours."
Jalalu din' Rumi.
ankh
May, 19 in Nice, . . . - That's my birthday !
ReplyDeleteOf course I love You
ReplyDeletea veggy and
You are my favorite ND teacher !
A Flabbergasting Message from Ramana Maharshi Message List
It's so special that I placed it on many ND Groups, Blogs to come
It was after I said to LAYA :
Imaging I was PLACED in front of You & Jac !
so here you have what happened :
In the middle of a dispute in french
on a french blog "Perles de Bonheur"
on ND
I wrote an answer saying that present interpretation of
Ramanas words were corrupting and
equal to the Angel Lucifer's pov and that
that one had more Beauty and REAL Divine IQ than we have
-a little of the same as we discuss here, -hence reason to carbon :
and thinking : Now She will throw me out of that Blog too
the following happened
and I wrote it to that group as follows now in english :
18 avril 2010 11:17
AnkhAton a dit…
Seconds after the above words, here in the corridor ,
I passed an ancien book cabinet
and there fell a little booklet out
of it with no visuable reason.
The title is:
FORTY VERSUS
by
RAMANA MAHARSHI
and
I thought flabbergasted and grateful:
This is a message
So I thought to do what some people
do with the Bible
and just open in the book in the middle.
The text on Page 25 text 21 is :
The scriptures declare that seeing the Self is seeing God.
Being Single, how can one see one's own Self?
If Oneself cannot be seen, how can God be?
To be absorbed by God is to see Him.
The traduction in English by
ULlADDU NARPAADU & S. Cohen
Edition : Watkins London is from 1978
If ULLADU only knew this -what happened-
ankh
just noticing
ReplyDeletethis moment
as the computer hums
and thoughts rise and fall
and an airplane buzzes over head
and a breeze flows through the window--
silence is not disturbed
nothing is touched
no one is noticing
simply stars shining
as this--
nowhere not even here
never not even now
empty even of emptiness
Yes; the first step towards wholeness is the first step away from it.
ReplyDeleteI sincerely believe that using this Japanzese , and chinese characters which may translate in so many different ways, can give a lot of misunderstanding.
ReplyDeleteA better solution might be to mail in english
I think I understood most of them minus one.
I wish you All, and specially Simone a fantastic Seminar in the PetitMas.
ReplyDeleteHoping that Jac will explain Why she's a vegetarian.
Yes, example is better than proscribing , that's true ,but it would be so spiritual helpful for many You would explain some
Love
Who wants awareness
ReplyDeletewhen you can have Love instead ?
38 Years ago, . .
ReplyDeleteAfter He gave me His Holy Sound,
I wrote to my SatGuru Master
in a letter :
Now I have You, I don't need God anymore.
He was cremated long ago but
I still think that
every second of my life
讚啦~~多謝分享!!＞ˍ＜............................................................
ReplyDeleteNow, the chinese are calming
ReplyDeleteI'm placing a copy of my message to tony moo
on his indian site
I wonder it's still not wiped out by brixton
http://tiruvannamalai-visitors-centre.blogspot.com/2010/05/mooji.html#comments
I'm Ankhaton on YOUTUBE
I saw tony's last footage
about his pain in "The" Fire of Self-Discovery"
and like to tell him what I saw in and around him, . . straight through the
screen.
"Yes that the fire of his self Discovery is imminent"
I saw Death, . . to come soon.
I know also why !
you are mixing Ramana's Beautiful Jnana Spirituality of LOVE with terror.
you say to youngsters they will not have bad
consequences from killing.
you are saying it doesn't matter to kill an animal without hunger or need, just for
pleasure and that 'imaging'
you are the Divine places you above all that :
Bad Karma and Reincarnation, in your own case Transmigration.
Jesus and Buddha had things to say
about such teachings and the taking away of children's conscience
something about the bottom of the ocean, remember and Buddha saying : No sin /thing
is worse
But tony , . . i have also seen how you can save yourself from horrors to come
and even a kind of miraculous recovery.
I tried to phone Brixton but couldn't.
So I say this in all openness here and elsewhere against your habit of deleting.
you don't need to become a vegetarian yourself although that would be fine, . . .
i'm told you couldn't keep that promise
You just have to tell your flock - like companies are sometimes obliged by judges to
correct on TV - . . .
You have just to correct and state on your sites that vegetarianism would greatly
help.
you have also to ask your foreign flock to
add that
This is a deal - the french say :
"à Amiable"
Like" Raneesh Osho said AT LAST : " It is an ethical minimum" which saved Him after
all.
I have been ordered to tell you . .
in the same way as I had to
do my Song SHANDORA and JESUS on Youtube
I'm a messenger
ANKHATON
ps
In an appendix I said He is ill and that he knows that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CklvW9HEL4
ReplyDeleteTHIS IS A CARBON FROM ANSWERING IN ANOTHER GROUP
ReplyDeleteWHAT IS SAMADHI ?
You might think I want to shock, . . no, . . no, . and NO,
this is
the ONLY comparison.
The Alpha & Omega of all things spiritual
IT IS ORGASM.
EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW ORGASM FEELS
AMONG MANY OTHER THINGS THIS IS IT WHAT IT IS
A Main ingredient
BUT ABOVE THE EYES °° ONLY °°,
AND WITH A UN-IMAGINABLE CLEARNESS and FORCE
AND PURE KNOWLEDGE
changing all the time.
AND SECONDS , (just not to die from it), but next :
MINUTES - NEXT FOR HOURS
NEXT FOR A VERY LONG TIME
next you do just your normal life wondering ALL THE TIME
I THINK THIS DEFINITION SHOULD BE IN THE WEBSTER ASAP
SAMADHI IS THAT AMONGST MORE, . .
HOW COULD THE HOLY GHOST BE LESSER THAN THAT ?
And It ever grows
It's time things are called by the right names
The Holy Ghost beats them All.
AnkhATON
PS
Therefore I did post already titled
"DO YOU LIKE SEX , . . DO HEAVEN"
You Guys might start joking but after that, . . .
SAY IT ON, BRING IT ON
-
The Proof :
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Don't go lower than the door
Jesus said to knock on.
The lower doors ( chakras )
are occupied too but you better do not
Don't do the heart, Ramana was wrong to say that.
ANKHATON
Said a hard line ND guy on a yahoo group :
ReplyDelete"Falling in Love happens only in the Separation state"
and i said
"May I (then) stay in that state forever"
ankh
Hi Jac,
ReplyDeleteThis is sooo delayed a response, sorry for that..but thank you for your clear answer, am going to share it with a you tube friend. Love..:)
Tom
Agree spiritual progress can be meaningless for the Self, meaningful for the mind that is conceptualised thinking individual soul. 'I' (my mind) also wonder why Swami Vivekananda said, 'Each soul is potentially divine, goal is to manifest the divinity within.' 'I' think does not make sense as well, as there is only energy present. Energy can't be one,two or many.
ReplyDelete"Consciousness throws up all concepts and somehow if the idea of separation is running then they are taken as real, right and wrong, etc. So as long as that movie is entertained consciousness will continue to imagine/present the idea of a seeker with something to achieve."
Not consciousness,but mind throws up all concepts and somehow if the idea of separation is running then they are taken as real, right and wrong, etc. So as long as that movie is entertained mind will continue to imagine/present the idea of a seeker with something to achieve."
Consciousness is a silent witness to all this rubbish since it is beyond mind, thought or words.
However, Spiritual progress can however be best understood as awakening, realising that there is nothing ever holding you from being free and true silence is the golden key to achieve with absence of the 'I'.
Disclaimer: Not writing with an intent to add the rubbish :D
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